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JMS88
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Posted this EIGHT part movie last night...took me like four freaking hours so i hope you guys enjoy it 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aSpdFMbN8gc
Anyway, this is a recording of a White Night that took place in October a month before the murder/suicides. When I read articles or books about the main players (for lack of a better term) I always wonder what they sound like. This tape has a lot of those voices including Debbie Layton's mother, Sharon Amos and her children, even Deanna Wilkinson the woman who is shown singing in the Jonestown:Life and Death of the Peoples Temple documentary.
Here is a complete list of names courtesy of the Alternative Considerations website:
Paula Adams (speaks)
Christa Amos (speaks)
Martin Amos (speaks)
Sharon Amos (speaks)
Jack Barron (speaks)
Rebecca May Beikman (speaks)
Johnny Brown, aka Johnny Jones, Johnny Moss (speaks)
Stephanie Brown (by reference)
Jeffrey Carey (speaks)
Carter (either Michael or Tim)
Eugene Chaikin (speaks)
Loretta Cordell, aka Loretta Coomer (speaks)
Penny Kerns Dupont (speaks)
James Edwards (speaks)
Hue Fortson (speaks)
Lemuel Thomas Grubbs (speaks)
John Harris, aka Peter Holmes (speaks)
Liane Harris, aka Liane Amos (speaks)
Marthea Hicks (speaks)
Lee Ingram (speaks)
Donald Jackson (speaks)
Shanda James, aka Shanda Oliver (speaks)
Ava Phenice Jones (by reference)
Earnest Jones (speaks)
Jessie Weana Jones (speaks)
Marceline Jones (by reference)
Marchelle Jacole Jones (by reference)
Stephan Jones (speaks)
Teresa King (speaks)
Lisa Layton (speaks)
Tish Leroy (speaks)
Kay Nelson (speaks)
William Oliver (speaks)
Michael Prokes (speaks)
Robert Rankin (speaks)
Edith Roller (speaks)
Pauline Simon (speaks)
Larry Schacht (speaks)
Helen Swinney (speaks)
Etta Thompson (speaks)
Debbie Touchette (speaks)
Harriett Tropp (speaks)
Richard Tropp (speaks)
Deanna Wilkinson (speaks) |
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trooley
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| excellent, thanks again a whole lot for posting this, I really appreciate it. Remember when we talked about the cuts and the staging on the death tape ('live recording') and thought about checking with the other white night recordings? Well, there are no cuts of any kind. I rerecorded the audio and ran into through a spectralizer. Nothing to be found at all. If I were a conspiracy theorist, this would strengthen my beliefs. |
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joeyjosef
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| trooley wrote: | | excellent, thanks again a whole lot for posting this, I really appreciate it. Remember when we talked about the cuts and the staging on the death tape ('live recording') and thought about checking with the other white night recordings? Well, there are no cuts of any kind. I rerecorded the audio and ran into through a spectralizer. Nothing to be found at all. If I were a conspiracy theorist, this would strengthen my beliefs. |
Joe's ten second opinion is this:
If you REALLY BELIVE that the Death Tape was edited on purpose you must create a thesis on
exactly why it would have been done and by who. Then you would have to answer the question: If it was eidited on purpose, why release it at all?
IF there was damaging evidence to prove some kind of conspiracy, why not just destroy the whole thing? Or why not just keep it classified?
The answers would probably include....to keep the parts in that would make it look like a mass suicide, taking out the stuff that might discredit that theory. |
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dick
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| Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| trooley wrote: | | excellent, thanks again a whole lot for posting this, I really appreciate it. Remember when we talked about the cuts and the staging on the death tape ('live recording') and thought about checking with the other white night recordings? Well, there are no cuts of any kind. I rerecorded the audio and ran into through a spectralizer. Nothing to be found at all. If I were a conspiracy theorist, this would strengthen my beliefs. |
Good point. I have read other "experts" opinions that most of the tapes are consistant
with the death tape as far with the cut outs, etc. I haven't listened to enough of them to
form an opinion on that yet. I think it was actually Fielding McGehee that spoke that blanket
statement. If that turns into a point of contention, I am pretty sure I can site that source.
I commend you for your work. |
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JMS88
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I agree that none of the tapes I've listened to have been as choppy sounding as that death tape. However, I see little bits of that in a few of the tapes I've made in to movies so far. At times Jones talks off the microphone and sometime the recorder stops all together and picks up at a different point. I'm working on one right now Q833 where you can see some examples of what I'm talking about.
Obviously the death tape was made under much different circumstances then any of the other tapes that were recovered by the FBI. So I wouldn't expect to hear these other tapes sounding like the death tape. Like most of the Jonestown mysteries, I don't think we will ever know definitively if the death tape was edited. It's my opinion that it wasn't edited, but that's just one persons opinion. I can certainly see why others might think it was. |
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joeyjosef
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| JMS88 wrote: | I agree that none of the tapes I've listened to have been as choppy sounding as that death tape. However, I see little bits of that in a few of the tapes I've made in to movies so far. At times Jones talks off the microphone and sometime the recorder stops all together and picks up at a different point. I'm working on one right now Q833 where you can see some examples of what I'm talking about.
Obviously the death tape was made under much different circumstances then any of the other tapes that were recovered by the FBI. So I wouldn't expect to hear these other tapes sounding like the death tape. Like most of the Jonestown mysteries, I don't think we will ever know definitively if the death tape was edited. It's my opinion that it wasn't edited, but that's just one persons opinion. I can certainly see why others might think it was. |
Not to turn this into a Q42 thread.......BUT.......if I ever figure out how to post images here, Ill try and get the original FBI transcript of the tape up.......
I may have to upload the PDF to one of my websites and just post the link............
joey |
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dick
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| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| JMS88 wrote: |
Obviously the death tape was made under much different circumstances then any of the other tapes that were recovered by the FBI. So I wouldn't expect to hear these other tapes sounding like the death tape. |
What? Do you mean you expect it to be edited or "different" just because it was the death tape? |
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JMS88
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| dick wrote: | | JMS88 wrote: |
Obviously the death tape was made under much different circumstances then any of the other tapes that were recovered by the FBI. So I wouldn't expect to hear these other tapes sounding like the death tape. |
What? Do you mean you expect it to be edited or "different" just because it was the death tape? |
Personally I don't think it was edited, but like I said before that's just my opinion.
Given the chaotic situation that was happening that night, I'm not surprised the tape sounds a bit different then other tapes from prior White Nights. I'm sure many of the starts and stops could be attributed to Jones covering the mic or stopping the recorder to talk off mic to people and give instructions. You can hear him doing that in some parts of the tape and then the tape stops and restarts.
One example of this is at 25:23 you hear a man (probably one of the airstrip shooters) say to Jones, "Lester said there were two GDF..." at that point it sounds like the mic is covered then the recorder stops. When it comes back on Jones is heard saying "...they saw it happen then ran in to the bush" apparently referring to the GDF that "Lester" saw. So you can assume that only a few brief moments were lost before the tape gets underway again.
There are other examples of this on the tape but this is the kind of stuff that makes me think that the tape was not edited. Others will disagree and I can see why they would. However, like Joe said, if this tape contained some kind of damning information why let the public get a hold of it in the first place?
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joeyjosef
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I posted some links to FBI docs I just uploaded for Q42.......
Go to the Q42 thread for more "death tape" discussion.........
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tripcap1222
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| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| JMS88 wrote: | I agree that none of the tapes I've listened to have been as choppy sounding as that death tape. However, I see little bits of that in a few of the tapes I've made in to movies so far. At times Jones talks off the microphone and sometime the recorder stops all together and picks up at a different point. I'm working on one right now Q833 where you can see some examples of what I'm talking about.
Obviously the death tape was made under much different circumstances then any of the other tapes that were recovered by the FBI. So I wouldn't expect to hear these other tapes sounding like the death tape. Like most of the Jonestown mysteries, I don't think we will ever know definitively if the death tape was edited. It's my opinion that it wasn't edited, but that's just one persons opinion. I can certainly see why others might think it was. |
I don't think it was edited. You have to remember too that Jones was known for turning off and on the microphone/recorder whenever and where ever. He was always very aware of that recorder, what it was recording, etc. I'm told this by many of the survivors...so, some of those edits make sense.
My question on the tapes though are the ones that are "retaped" in various places. I've done several that will begin with something, go for quite some time through the tape, then stop...later in the same tape, it begins again, with the SAME sermon, or meeting, or what ever is going on. The same people talking, the same words, the same noises in the background...what the hell? How can you tape something, then tape it again through the tape, with the same exact noises. Why would they spend time taping the same stuff a couple of times through the tapes? These are usually sermons or meetings, etc. that really don't mean anything, as far as information...makes me wonder who taped the same stuff over the top, and what was underneath that taping that shouldn't have been heard.  |
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